Mr. Bruce Clausen, Deputy Attorney General was interviewed on December 18, 1995 by Internal Affairs. He stated substantially.
    1. He was the Deputy Attorney General in charge of the Seattle, Tacoma and Lacey offices during 1992.
    2. He supervised AAG Richard McCartan.
    3. He was not aware of the stop placement motion hearing which McCartan represented DCFS.
    INVESTIGATOR'S NOTE - On October 20, 1992, McCartan represented DCFS -regarding a stop placement motion filed by the guardian Ad litem, Scott Neilson in the Thurston County Juvenile Court.
    4. He was familiar with Neilson as was several people in the Lacey office.
    5. Neilson had a reputation of being active in children issues and was thought to have gone beyond the point of reason on a few children issues.
    6. Clausen thought McCartan might have felt "here goes Scott again" and attach more substance to the messenger than the message itself.
    7. Clausen said he has since talked with McCartan and Lee Ann Millet and did not see this hearing as a high profile case.
    8. McCartan was one of three people representing DCFS in the Olympia area to provide program legal advice.
    9. McCartan's primary duty was representing the DCFS section of Juvenile Rehabilitation (JRA).
    10. McCartan would have communicated any concerns about the hearing to the case worker. He was not a lead attorney.
    11. It would have been unlikely for him to have communicated with the Regional Administrator.
    12. There is lot of discretion among line attorneys. It would have been rare for him to advise DSHS Headquarters about a problem.
    13. If there was something to give a "heads up" on. It would probably have been communicated internally within our department through our chain of command.
    14. Occasionaly when there is something the DSHS headquarters should know, Clauson would brief DSHS headquarters and may take the general attorney with him to brief them on the specifics.
    15. He said the Attorney Generals office was not aware of anything unusual occurring as a result of this hearing McCartan represented DCFS on.

Below is an e-mail I received from a former Olympia, Washington resident.

From: ~~~~~~~~@aol.com
To: Louis Bloom manaco@whidbey.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:34 AM
Subject: OKBR
Just came across your pages and felt the urge to respond... In the early 80's (81-83) I was at the OKBR frequently as a young kid walking to/from school, I became friends with some of the boys. At one point a small boy confided to me that he was being raped by another boy in the home. The abusing boy talked about it openly!
Days later I walked the victim to OPD where we both gave statements. Later that evening I began to receive these incredibly threatening phone calls from a woman employee of the ranch who's name I believe was Paulette at my home. She kept calling over and over screaming at me calling me names. It was horrible. I thought I was helping someone. Nothing came of it. Then all these years later, it all comes out ... one of the boys that I had known there left as a young adult and still couldn't get it together, he eventually killed himself. As an adult now I don't often think back to those times but it still saddens me. All those boys that needed a safe nurturing place to be, and how many of them were better off for having been taken there? It's not about money. It cost these boys their lives, their souls, their trust. Those people who knew, who didn't care, they should feel such shame. Just my opinion.

From: louis a bloom manaco@whidbey.net
To: ~~~~~~~@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: OKBR
thanks for your e-mail. from what i've read, dshs, the olympia police department, and other "authorities" didn't consider child on child rape to be against the law. it was considered "normal experimentation". The "paulette" you mention, may have been Collette Queener who was an assistant director at the OKBR. Collette, OKBR Director Tom Van Woerdan, and OKBR counselor Laura Rambo Russell were ineptly charged by Wa. St. with "criminal mistreatment for failing to stop abuse". The charges were dismissed by Thurston County Judge Daniel Berschauer on technicalities. The lawyer who represented Collette Queener said, (Nov. 14, 1996 Olympian), that it was a "witch hunt", and that " a more innocent person (than Queener) you could not have for a client. She's an ex-nun ..... I don't see how you could view her in an evil or negative light."
I congratulate you for doing the right thing, when all those adults looked the other way. I repeat on most pages that the " OKBR has cost the Washington State taxpayers over $35 million dollars (so far)", because I think most people don't care about the kids involved, but they may care that it has cost them (taxpayers) money.
louis bloom

manaco@whidbey.net