The Olympia Washington Kiwanis members and their friends have cost the Washington State taxpayers over $50 million dollars (so far), because of their willful ignorance of long term, merciless and well known, child abuse that occurred at the Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch.

October 2006 note: This Olympia Kiwanis stuff is old news. I've left this information on the web, because I like the thought that someone will say to one of these Kiwanis friends or members: "Grandma, (Grandpa), are you still friends with those Olympia Kiwanians?"

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--Sutherland Deposition part 2--
BE IT REMEMBERED that on Wednesday, September 14, 1994, at 2:22 p.m. at 910 Lakeridge Way S.W., Olympia, Washington before DIXIE J. CATTELL, Notary Public in and for the State of Washington, appeared PATRICK SUTHERLAND, the witness herein;  WHEREUPON, the following proceedings were had, to-wit:
    PATRICK SUTHERLAND, having been first duly sworn  by the Notary, testified as  follows:
    EXAMINATION     BY MR. PAUL:
Good day, Mr. Sutherland. Can I ask you - we've been introduced a minute ago. My name is David Paul. We're running a little late. I'll try not to talk too fast. Can you state your name and address for the record, please?
    A I'm Patrick Sutherland, and my address is - my work address is 2000 Lakeridge Drive Southwest here in Olympia.
    Q And you're represented by counsel today; is that correct?
    A I hope so.
Q Who is your lawyer for today's proceedings?
    A What?
    Q Who is your lawyer for today's proceedings?
    MR. HANSEN: The record should reflect David Hansen.
    A I guess David Hansen here is. You have to speak up there. I have a little problem on hearing. I can hear pretty well, but speak up, if you will, please.  If for any reason you don't hear me, let me know.
    A I'll ask you to repeat it.
Q Thank you.     I understand that you are president now of the Kiwanis Club of Olympia Board of Directors?
    A No, I'm not. I'm president-elect. I will not take office - I guess, technically, I've been elected, but I don't-take office until October.
    Q Congratulations.
    A Or condolences.
Q What position did you hold on that Board of Directors in  the summer of 1992?
    A What would that be, two years ago? Well, you start out  as second vice-president, and then you just bump up through the chairs; you don't do anything; and then you  become first vice-president; and now i'm what they call president-elect.
Q Can you identify for me what position you held in the summer of '92 and then the summer of '93?
    A Well, I don't know when that - we take office, I guess it's - I'd have to have a piece of-paper or something like that here. I'm not sure - I guess second vice-president I guess. I don't know. It doesn't really matter. Either one of them, second vice-president or first vice-president, your duties are no different.
    Q When were-you elected to sit as vice-president?
    A Whenever - whenever it is. I think it's in August, I think that they're elected, and you take office, I guess, in October. I think that's correct. Whatever - whatever the date is.
    Q When did you join Kiwanis?
    A I can't honestly tell you that. I was trying to think of that.. I don't know whether I've been in eight years or 10 years or what it is. I've been in for quite a while. I think I was in years ago and dropped out, and I just - I just couldn't tell you that. But I've been in it now for - oh, I don't know eight or 10 years, I suspect.
    Q When you were elected to the board, was your first position on the board second vice-president?
    A Yes, that's correct. I've never held any other office, my recollection, other than that.
   Q You didn't have to pay your dues as secretary and take all the minutes?
    A No, I never - I never did that. I just - there were three of us were nominated, and I was elected second vice-president. And I've just gone through the chairs. And as I say, I'm president-elect right now. But they have the election in the summer time and then - but you're not actually elevated until October.
    Q I understand you also participated in the decision not to prosecute Tom VanWoerden for violations of RCW statutes relating to failing to report sexual crimes; is that correct?
    A Well, I'm the prosecuting attorney of Thurston County, and the matter came before the Prosecutor's Office, and, as quite often the case, why, I - I guess you'd say assigned the case to Gary Tabor, my chief criminal deputy, whose deposition you just concluded with. You might say I participated in a sense in that as prosecutor, I guess I participated in thousands of cases every year in that sense. But I don't understand what you're getting at.
    Q Mr. Tabor advised me that the decision not to prosecute was one in which you participated by approving; is that correct?
    A Well, Mr. Tabor is the one who did the work on the case. I was aware of it, and I knew that that was the decision eventually that we came to, yes. Um-hmm.
    Q You were also aware that the O.K-Boys Ranch situation was discussed at the January '93 Board of Directors meeting which you attended; is that correct?
     A No, I'm not aware of that. If it was, why, it may be, but  I don't recall it.
    Q The Olympia Kiwanis Club or the Kiwanis Club of Olympia keeps minutes of its meeting, does it not?
    A I don't know. I guess they do. Don Powell is our secretary and I - how well he keeps minutes, I'm sorry, I  don't know.
Q One of the first jobs at your board meetings is to approve  the minutes frequently, isn't it?
    A That happens quite frequently, I think, in just about any organization. But I haven't - don't recall having seen any minutes, but I may have. Again, I wouldn't say that I haven't, but . .
  MR. PAUL: I'm going to indicate on the record that Exhibits 1, 2 and 3 have been reduplicated, will be incorporated at the appropriate time into this deposition. Therefore, the first exhibit that I would like to mark, I would urge us to mark, is Exhibit 4.
    THE WITNESS: Okay.
    MR. PAUL: And, Counsel, 1, 2 and 3 will be unchanged...from the last deposition.
     MR. LAW: Can I just have it clarified? In other words, what you've done is you've taken the same exhibits - 1, 2, 3 - in the previous deposition, you've marked them, made copies of them, and marked them again in this deposition; is that right?
MR. PAUL: That's correct.
    (Deposition Exhibit No. 4 marked for identification)
    A Now, what's your question?
    Q (By Mr. Paul) My question is, do you have Exhibit 4 in front of you, sir?
A Where is it marked? Exhibit 3.
    MR. LAW: Counsel, this has been marked Exhibit 3. It hasn't been marked at all, actually. Are you saying this copy is Exhibit 4? I'm sorry, it's just that-
     MR. PAUL: It's the Powell Deposition Exhibit 3.  It's been marked as Sutherland Exhibit 4.
  Q  (By Mr. Paul) Do you see-the red markings there, Mr. Sutherland, where it says Exhibit 4?
    A Yes. But the one you handed me doesn't have any markings  on it at all.
Q Do you have the exhibit in front of you with your name in  red letters and Exhibit 4?
    A I have two documents in front of me, both handed to me by you, and one is in red, and they appear to be the same. One's marked Exhibit 4, right.
    Q Can you identify Exhibit 4 for the record, please? It says so at the top.
    A How do you want me to identify - here, you've -
Q Do you have in front of you, Mr. Sutherland, the minutes of the January -
    A January 11, 1993, board meeting?
    Q  Well, it's better if we talk one at a time, sir. Minutes of January 11, 1993, board meeting, is that in front of you?
    A That's this one, what I'm holding.  No. 10 says there was an overview of the O.K. Boys Ranch situation  discussed?
    A That's what it says.
Q And it also says that you were at that meeting. Do you  see under the list of people attending?
    A My name's there.
    Q, Were you there?
    A I can't tell you. I assume that I was. I wouldn't be on  there, but I'm not - I don't recall the meeting.  That was January 1993, correct?
    A That's - that's what this document says.
    Q And Mr. Powell keeps these, and you have a pretty good amount of confidence in Mr. Powell, don't you?
    A This is - you've got it in front of me, and this is what  I've identified.
    Q The decision not to prosecute was printed by Mr. Tabor, February of 1993; isn't that correct?
    A Around that time, I think it was. That's correct. Somewhere in there. Whether that was the date or not, I don't know.
    Q So in January of 1993, the Kiwanis Club of Olympia board meeting concerned the O.K. Boys Ranch situation, and one month later your Prosecutor's Office decided not to prosecute Tom VanWoerden; is that correct?
    A Now, wait a minute. You said - you said a situation. I don't know what you're talking about on this January 11  thing. I'm not familiar with what was discussed here -
Q Did you--
    A -- and I'm not going to assume anything. You tell me what was discussed there, and I'll tell you whether I recall it or not.
    Q Did you become aware that there was considerable consternation over the rape of several children at O.K. Boys Ranch?
    MR. LAW: Object to the form of the question. Among other things consternation by whom?
    MR. HANSEN: Also you haven't given a time reference, because that seems to be so much at issue.
    Q (By Mr. Paul) Were you aware there was a bit of a controversy at the O.K. Boys Ranch, Mr. Sutherland, during the summer of '92 and up through your decision not to prosecute Mr. VanWoerden in 1993?
    A No. All --
  MR. LAW: object to the form.
Q (By Mr. Paul) You weren't aware of that, sir?
    MR. LAW: I'm sorry. Let's just get this sorted out. Your question that you asked, I made an objection as as to the form of the question.
    Q (By Mr. Paul) Were you aware, Mr. Sutherland, or are you not aware that there was a considerable controversy at O.K. Boys Ranch concerning --
    A I don't - I don't - I can't speak for the Boys Ranch at all. I don't know. I don't know what was going on there. I know what was reported to (us) by the Olympia Police Department.
    Q And you also were attending at least one board meeting of the Kiwanis Club of Olympia where this same subject was discussed; isn't that correct?
    MR. LAW: Object to the form.
    A I don't know what was discussed there. I'm sorry, I just - I'd like to help you there, but I just do not know All this says here is that - where is it there? It says let me find it on here now. It says, "Overview of the Boys Ranch  situation discussed." I don't remember, no.
    Q Are you aware, sir, that the O.K. Boys Ranch stands for Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch?
    A Well, as far as I 'm concerned, there's no-connection between the Olympia Kiwanis Club and the O.K. Boys Ranch. They're completely separate and apart, and they have  been. I don't know what they do, and they're - and the board meetings I've attended have been very little, if anything, said about the Boys Ranch or the discussion of what's gone on here. In fact, I don't know what this consists of. If you've got further information on it, why, I'll try to enlighten.
    Q Thank you, Mr. Sutherland. Were you aware that the Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch is a standing committee of the Kiwanis Club of Olympia?
    A They're a standing committee, but the club itself has nothing to do with it. The theory of the committee is that on Christmas or something, if they bring in presents or something like that - you can have a standing committee on anything. But I don't - they had - they still have had nothing to do with the club as such.
    Q And the Kiwanis Club of Olympia gives the Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch money, doesn't it?
    A That's true. You bet. They have money that they give to all the charitable-type organizations. There's many of them. We have a budget for that, and I believe last year,  I think they gave $4,000 to the Boys Ranch.
  Q  And that was roughly half of their previous contribution of $8,000 which had gone on for years and years; isn't  that correct?
    A I don't know that, but I think that's correct. I couldn't tell you that. I think they - whether they gave $8,000 the year before or what, I don't know. That's right. To my knowledge, that's all we've ever done for the Ranch.
    Q And you know Tom VanWoerden, don't you?
    A I've met him, yes.
    Q And you've known him for 10 years?
    A How do you mean "known him"? I've known him for the years I've been in there, but I've had no association whatsoever with Tom VanWoerden in any way.
    Q Except as delineated through your membership in the Kiwanis Club of Olympia?
    A I've had no association with Tom VanWoerden in any way  whatsoever, even as a member of the Kiwanis Boys Club or - and his situation as a member of the O.K. Boys Ranch, no. I've seen the man just like I've seen you, and to say that  I've had an association with you, I think I've said more to you today than I've said with Tom  VanWoerden probably  in all the time I've ever seen-him. He's a very quiet  person.
Q And the Kiwanis Club of Olympia gives $8,000 to the Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch without a budget request; isn't  that.correct?
    A I don't know.
MR. LAW: Object to the form of the question; misstates the evidence.
    A I don't know.
    Q (By Mr. Paul) Have you ever seen a budget request detailing what the occasion --
    A I don't know what you mean by a budget request.
    Q Excuse me. Okay. And have you ever seen an allocation on how the O.K. Boys Ranch spends the $8,000 or $4,000 which the Kiwanis Club of Olympia pays to the Boys Ranch?
    A Apparently I'm not making myself clear. I don't know anything about the operation of the O.K. Boys Ranch; none at all. I've never been there. I don't even know who their board members are. You could read off a list of names for me, and undoubtedly I would know who they are, but whether you've been on it or not, I really wouldn't know.
    Q You know Judge Dubuisson, do you not?
    A I certainly do.
    Q And she serves on both - at various times she has served on both the Kiwanis Club of Olympia--
    A I think that's right. I think -
    Q It's very helpful if you let me finish my question.
    A Sure.
    MR. LAW: If you could slow down, it would help too.
Q (By Mr. Paul) If you please, Mr. Sutherland, you're aware, that Ms. Dubuisson or Judge Dubuisson -
    A  Yes.
    Q -- has served on both the Kiwanis Club of Olympia Board of Directors and the Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch Board of Directors?
    A I'm aware of that.
    Q And she's served on both simultaneously; isn't that true?
    A Well, I guess you'd say that.
    Q Mr. Millar, you know him, don't you?
    A Yes,
Q And he has served--
    A -- not very well.
    Q Pardon me. He has served on both Board of Directors, that being the Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch and the Kiwanis Club of Olympia boards?
    A I'm certain that several of the members are on both boards, yes. Who they are, again and I didn't know that Mr. Millar was on both of them. I know who he is, but I'm not aware of him as being a member. If you say he is, I will accept that.
    Q And you know Mr. Bishop, don't you?
    A Who?  Mr. Bishop?
    A Oh, yes. Wayne Bishop, yes.
   Q And Mr. Bishop has served on the Kiwanis Club of Olympia board as Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch Board of Directors, hasn't he?
    A I believe-that's correct.
    Q You know Mr. Ernst, don't you?
    A Yes, I do.
    Q Mr. Ernst--
    A Yes.
    Q -- has served on both the Kiwanis Club of Olympia and the Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch board, has he not?
    A To my knowledge, I think he has, yes.
    Q The same is true of Mr. Yarboro or Yarbrough?
    A I think that's correct too.
    Q And the same is true of Mr. Olson?
    A I don't believe I know Mr. Olson. Maybe I do. What's his first name?
    Q I'll try to get back to that in a second. The same can be said of Mr. Lane; is that not true?.
    A I don't know whether Mr. Lane was ever on the board or  not. He doesn't come too often there. I couldn't tell  you that.
Q And the same can be said of Jane Skinner; am I not  correct?
    A She's on both; I do know that. She comes to the  comes     to the board meeting of the Kiwanis Club.
  Q And at the Kiwanis Club of Olympia, there is usually a report on activities at the O.K. Boys Ranch; is there not?
    A No, I wouldn't say that's true.
    Q That's because you remember the proceedings at the various meetings?
    A No, but I know - I would know that if the Boys Ranch came up, just like, as I say here, of a - the discussions were - they're few and far between, because I - I've just never been aware of the operations of the Boys Club at all, in no way.
    Q However, the Chief of Police of the City of Olympia and at least- one of his prosecutors had a meeting with you, did he not, concerning problems at the O.K. Boys Ranch?
    A That's when this matter came to my attention.
    Q And at that point in time, there was an ongoing investigation?
    A That's correct.
    Q And Mr. VanWoerden was the subject of this investigation?
    A Well, whoever was in the investigation. I think Darrell Noble, a detective for the Olympia Police Department, conducted it on behalf of the Olympia Police Department. And what, I mean, whatever it showed, it showed. You're right in that regard.
    Q You've been the prosecutor for a long time, I understand. How long have you served?
    A 20 years.
    Q Congratulations. How many times in that 20 years has the Chief of Police and City Prosecutor personally brought to you a memo about a prosecution that they wanted you to investigate?
--Sutherland Deposition part 2--

Below is an e-mail I received from a former Olympia, Washington resident.

From: ~~~~~~~~@aol.com
To: Louis Bloom manaco@whidbey.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:34 AM
Subject: OKBR
Just came across your pages and felt the urge to respond... In the early 80's (81-83) I was at the OKBR frequently as a young kid walking to/from school, I became friends with some of the boys. At one point a small boy confided to me that he was being raped by another boy in the home. The abusing boy talked about it openly!
Days later I walked the victim to OPD where we both gave statements. Later that evening I began to receive these incredibly threatening phone calls from a woman employee of the ranch who's name I believe was Paulette at my home. She kept calling over and over screaming at me calling me names. It was horrible. I thought I was helping someone. Nothing came of it. Then all these years later, it all comes out ... one of the boys that I had known there left as a young adult and still couldn't get it together, he eventually killed himself. As an adult now I don't often think back to those times but it still saddens me. All those boys that needed a safe nurturing place to be, and how many of them were better off for having been taken there? It's not about money. It cost these boys their lives, their souls, their trust. Those people who knew, who didn't care, they should feel such shame. Just my opinion.

From: louis a bloom manaco@whidbey.net
To: ~~~~~~~@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: OKBR
thanks for your e-mail. from what i've read, dshs, the olympia police department, and other "authorities" didn't consider child on child rape to be against the law. it was considered "normal experimentation". The "paulette" you mention, may have been Collette Queener who was an assistant director at the OKBR. Collette, OKBR Director Tom Van Woerdan, and OKBR counselor Laura Rambo Russell were ineptly charged by Wa. St. with "criminal mistreatment for failing to stop abuse". The charges were dismissed by Thurston County Judge Daniel Berschauer on technicalities. The lawyer who represented Collette Queener said, (Nov. 14, 1996 Olympian), that it was a "witch hunt", and that " a more innocent person (than Queener) you could not have for a client. She's an ex-nun ..... I don't see how you could view her in an evil or negative light."
I congratulate you for doing the right thing, when all those adults looked the other way. I repeat on most pages that the " OKBR has cost the Washington State taxpayers over $35 million dollars (so far)", because I think most people don't care about the kids involved, but they may care that it has cost them (taxpayers) money.
louis bloom

There were many obvious and long-term warnings about the 1970-94 child abusing Olympia Kiwanis Boys Ranch.

  • DSHS knew since at least 1977.
  • The OKBR staff certainly knew.
  • The abused kids told staff, schools, counselors, police, caseworkers, therapists, ect.., about their abuse at the OKBR, but nobody investigated.
  • Olympia Police Chief Wurner came to an Olympia Kiwanis meeting in 1986 and told the Kiwanis about the troubles at the OKBR. Chief Wurner was ignored. Maybe he should have done more, but he probably wanted to keep his job.
  • It was well know by the Thurston County courts. These kids were constantly in and out of the Thurston County legal system.
  • The OKBR was written about in the Kiwanis Komments newsletters, and the Kiwanis Board Ranch minutes.
  • All the OKBR Board Members had a legal oversight of the OKBR.
  • Were all Olympia Kiwanis Attorneys & Judges and/or Politicians uninformed?
  • It's amazing how blissfully ignorant some people were about the OKBR. You can read about their guiltlessness in some of their Washington State Patrol and Office of Special Investigation statements.
  • Here's Wa St Patrol Olympia Kiwanis member lists of 1987, 1990, 1994
  • Here is a 49 page index of 5,223 pages of documents that the WSP collected about the OKBR. Anybody can order any of those public documents by following the instructions on that page.
  • The OKBR sent kids for weekend visits to child abusers who donated land to the Kiwanis. The Kiwanians sold the land in 1993 for $125,000.
  • Can the Olympian Newspaper claim ignorance?
    manaco@whidbey.net